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A daughter’s dilemma

The terminally ill father.

The Case

The Case

Leib Goldstein is a 65 year old widowed man with Alzheimer’s type dementia that first manifested ten years ago. Now in the later stages of the disease, he cannot interact meaningfully with his environment, and his doctors say there is no hope of improvement. Leib’s only child Shayna is 30 and has been his primary caregiver throughout his illness. This is a fulltime commitment and, as his condition worsened, has prevented her from developing her career as a journalist. Leib suggested early on that she put him in a nursing home, but she refused. On the other hand, Leib was never willing to discuss how she should handle medical issues once he was fully incompetent, saying that he trusted her judgement. >Read the full description
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The dilemma

The dilemma

According to Jewish law, which of these three options is she allowed to approve? 2. According to Jewish law, is there one that she must approve? 3. Shayna is aware that if multiple options are permissible, the decision must ultimately be hers. However, because she is worried that her own interests and preferences are involved here, she asks the Beit Din for the clearest guidance it can give as to how she should choose among permitted options. What guidance would you give to Shayna?

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What can be the added value of the concept of Avida (lost) and the concept of “LO TAAMOD AL DAM REICHA”

 

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Udi Lion

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Why is removing an impediment different from causing the death itself?

Hillel Greene

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    Do we really need to be asking this question — is it helpful to our case? Also: what is a Gosses?

     

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    Bar Qamtza

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    Gosses-person on the deathbed

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    Natan Bird

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    THE deathbed? What is the deathbed? You are definitely not a STEM kid. SMH.

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    Adin Feder

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    Removing an impediment is different because one is letting god take the life as opposed to to actively taking the life which is directly taking a life on ones own. The reason this distinction is important to the case is because we have to determine what choices are in line with removing a burden vs what is actively taking a life.

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    Natan Bird

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A gosses is a person on their death bed.

Yoni Offit

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yes! I think we really should ask this question. The person’s whose life is being decided is not only on their death bed, but in relation to the text we must debate whether or not to remove certain impediments from death.

Yoni Offit

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Does our case count as a “הוראת שעה”? If so, is this source implying a categoric exemption for “הוראת שעה”?

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Adin Feder

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The difference here between the sefer chasidim is that while sefer chasidim says one is obligated to remove the impediments to death, sefer chasidim allows one to remove the impediments but does not force one too.

Natan Bird

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Here is an example taken from the “West wing” show .

C.J. is the White house spokeswoman who is coming to visit her aging father,

Adin Feder

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Adin Feder
21.12.2015 20:12

Here is an example taken from the “West wing” show .

C.J. is the White house spokeswoman
who is coming to visit her aging father,

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Natan Bird
7.12.2015 22:27

The difference here between the sefer chasidim
is that while sefer chasidim says one is obligated to remove the impediments to death
, sefer chasidim allows one to remove the impediments
but does not force one too.

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Adin Feder
24.11.2015 20:17

Does our case count as a “הוראת שעה”?

If so, is this source implying a categorical exemption

for “הוראת שעה”?

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Yoni Offit
24.11.2015 19:58

yes! I think we really should ask this question.

The person’s whose life is being decided is not only on their death bed,

but in relation to the text

we must debate whether or not to remove

certain impediments from death.

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